Both worms and fire speak of a total and final destruction. , The British Evangelical Alliance ACUTE report states the doctrine is a "significant minority evangelical view" that has "grown within evangelicalism in recent years". It simply says that “God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him will not perish but have eternal life” (John 3:16). If the guilty man deserves to be beaten, the judge shall make him lie down and have him flogged in his presence with the number of lashes his crime deserves, but he must not give him more than forty lashes. If eternal torment is the fate of most of mankind, then why is no single indication of it is discoverable in the writings of Moses? These are bodies and souls of men that are now destroyed (Matthew 10:28). They will be ashes by this time (Malachi 4:3)–cremated. Again, Paul did not believe the Greek philosophers who taught the immortality of all souls, neither did Yeshua (Jesus): I am the living bread that came down from heaven. And before you may falsely conclude that those who hold to Conditional Immortality believe the lost do not suffer at all for their sins, it is very obvious that they do. Again I ask you to read through all of the articles here to see how unbiblical the concept of the immortality of the unsaved soul is. Look at this comment left on another web site that also teaches Conditional Immortality: I accepted Christ a few months ago. In the second death, the body and soul stop functioning forever. Paul clearly links immortality to the gospel. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Strong’s word # 1860, “To repulse, an object of aversion, abhorring, contempt.” Contempt and abhorrence are the way others think about them. Thankfully, Dr. Boyd shared this option with his father and his father is now going to have immortality because of it. Notice, Paul also tells us exactly what the punishment of the lost is: “Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9). So according to Yeshua’s (Jesus”) own words, some will have “many stripes” (Hitler types) and some will have “few stripes” (only God knows). Conditionalism correctly teaches this truth from God’s Holy Word. Conditional Immortality in the Protestant Churches - Pamphlet | Louis Elbe | ISBN: 9781428685871 | Kostenloser Versand für alle Bücher mit Versand und Verkauf duch Amazon. That is the only valid basis for such a punishment really being a punishment to them. they would give up their immortality) if it would save Jewish people and enable them to live forever. Sadly, Traditional theology wrongly states that the soul cannot be destroyed in clear contradiction to the Lord’s word. The fact that it will last forever makes it “eternal punishment” (Matthew 25:46) Remember, this occurs after their resurrection (Revelation 20:12). Again, I cannot state this strongly enough, even unsaved man knows this fact. Again, the same thing is said in another evangelical commentary: There is no doctrine of hell (i.e. Malachi tells us the same (Malachi 4:3). Fourth of all, remember it (the fire) was “prepared for the devil and his angels.” (Matt 25:41) It was never, never made for humans. It is also important to remember that if Jesus suffered on the cross for about six hours we have every reason to believe that the lost will suffer no more than the same amount of time that Jesus suffered. No, not one if it would conflict with their theology. God cannot be tempted to sin or do wrong. . How could this statement be true if God was planning to torture them eternally? Is immortality inherent or is immortality a gift that only believers receive? Does He lack the ability? Then why do believers “shut off” their God given consciences and suppress every fiber in their being which screams “Eternal conscious torture (the Traditional view of hell) really does not make sense!” The punishment does not fit the crime. The souls of all men are born indestructible? In Isaiah 66:24, those who have “darone” (“contempt” or “disgust”) are the believers who go out and look upon the dead bodies (not living souls) of those who have been turned into ashes, cremated (2 Peter 2:6, Malachi 4:3). (2 Timothy 1:10, Romans 2:7, John 6:51). . All the rest are destroyed (not preserved), (Matthew 10:28) after a period of time. Even Traditional Judaism and Bible believers alike all correctly conclude that there will be a bodily resurrection one day. Jesus, when speaking of Gehennah (hell) quotes this verse in Isaiah. If all souls are born immortal, then why are we encouraged to seek it? In saying the smoke “will rise forever,” the prophet evidently means what he goes on to describe in the rest of the chapter. It is called the Tehiyyat ha-Metim = “the resurrection of the dead” and even written in the Traditional Jewish prayer “the Shmona Esre”; and the writer of the book of Hebrews refers to this fact (the resurrection) as “foundational” teachings in Hebrews 6:1-2. To try and transfer the quality of endurance from the fire itself to that which is cast into it is completely unwarranted either grammatically, logically, or theologically. 1-7). Yet, there is a limit to His patience and mercy if a stubborn person continually chooses to resist and rebel against him; and when his patience and mercy end, his judgment begins. Something that was accursed (Gk: Anathema) was killed and cremated in the Old Testament. The God we tell unbelievers about, in their mind, is unjust because we don’t explain things fully to them. The adjectives “many” and “few” in Luke 12 could not be used if eternal conscious torment were what He was teaching here. To the Hebrew mind, even if a man could live to be 200 years old and have 100 children, without a proper burial he would better have been stillborn (Ecclesiastes 6:3-6). 2 KINGS 1:10-“Elijah answered the captain, ‘If I am a man of God, may fire come down from heaven and consume you and your fifty men!’ Then fire fell from heaven and consumed the captain and his men.”, PSALM 97:2b-3-“…righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne. In Isaiah 66:24, at one time a much quoted verse, the reference is not to the continuing personality (nephesh) of the rebels, but to their corpses. Russel Holt Patty and me Patty Holt getting a free ride: On the Woodruff farm in Utah : HOWEVER, WE ALSO BELIEVED IN THE STANDARD Christian "Gospel" of John 3:16,17. Of course it would. A fourth and final point, Dad, is this: you wondered why God would not, after a time, finally put the rebellious out of their misery. What kind of sick man could get the highest pleasure from seeing a cruel God doing his cruel work on billions and even on many he knows and loves? Why don’t many more see it? What was his punishment? The question to be Read more… I think this is sufficient evidence to show that this is a very important topic. In John 3:16, the word “perish” in the Greek is “apollumi.” It is correctly translated many other times as “destroy” throughout the New Testament. This alone helps explain why some (not all) sinners suffer in this world. His body’s death was not eternal. Inter-Varsity Press author John R. Stott rightly concludes: “…it would seem strange…if people who are said to suffer destruction are in fact not destroyed…it is difficult to imagine a perpetually inconclusive process of perishing.”. First of all, we need to realize that Jesus is quoting verbatim Isaiah 66:24 in this passage so please read, Why rarely cited Isaiah 66:24 is a key (on Home page) for a more complete understanding of this scripture. They will be destroyed. When something is “destroyed” it means something that no longer functions at all. First, in scripture, Jesus speaks definitively on the fate of the unsaved soul, it will be destroyed. If you believe the souls of unsaved men live forever, then which of these two statements do you believe? Thus, the view of final punishment promoted by many is actually in direct opposition to the teaching of Jesus Christ. This cannot be stressed enough. Reread that statement. Remember, Jesus Himself tells us that the fire was never made for humans, it was “prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). You certainly have to import an alien meaning to the definition of the word “destroy” (Gk: apollumi) if it means eternal torture. Absolutely not. So, if the receiving of this mark (whatever it may be) is on this earth, then the worshiping in 14:11 must also be on this earth. How can it be any more plain than that? Therefore, the majority of these people (if left to full term) would be tormented forever. Religion is the human attempt to connect with God, whereas Christianity is God connecting with humanity through Christ. He has written a book entitled, Man’s Ignorance and God’s Grace: A Case for Conditional Immortality. It does not say they will forever be conscious or in torture, but that others will forever have shame and contempt for them. The final picture is one of shame, not pain. If Jesus is quoting Isaiah, shouldn’t we read Isaiah too? He says the “character of God is on trial” and this is a correct observation. You see, we can always be absolutely confident of the fact that God’s judgments are completely righteous and just; and God is not quick in making a judgment; he is ”compassionate and gracious, slow to anger abounding in love” (Psalm 103:8); ”He is patient not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2Peter 3:9b). These figures are all employed to depict the fate of sinners at the final reckoning. After they have received their appropriate “stripes,” then they will “perish” as John 3:16 states. The conscience strokes due to a person were always limited. So does the Traditional view of the lost, as eternal conscious torment, fit the bill? Source: The Resurrection and Immortality, William West, Xulon Press, 2006, various excerpts from chapter two. We will always have contempt or disgust for him. And it is the righteous that have the contempt emotion towards the wicked. Is this unjust on God’s part? ” (Matthew 7:13). The New Testament writers used the Old Testament types to show how the destruction of sinners in the hands of an angry God happens. We, believers, will look upon dead bodies in Gehenna. Is this not a most disturbing concept which needs some second thoughts? The prospect of one day seeing them agonizing in hell for all eternity can easily lead thinking Christians to say to God: “No thank you God. Additionally, the forward to this book was written by the great evangelical scholar F.F. “If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever.” (John 6:51). Therefore, let’s correctly understand John 3:16 as follows: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish (Gk: apollumi; be destroyed), but have everlasting life (i.e. The future they face on judgment day is 1) suffering in proportion for their sins then 2) destruction. Some (like Hitler) will receive very many “stripes.” Others will receive “few” as Yeshua (Jesus) says. If millions of these aborted precious little ones were left to go to full term and then birth, ALL would grow up to be sinners and the majority would probably never accept Jesus as adults. They will not gain life. As a general rule, conditionalism goes hand in hand with annihilationism; that is, the belief that the souls of the wicked will be destroyed in Gehenna (often translated "hell", especially by non-conditionalists and non-universalists) fire rather than suffering eternal torment. “The Abyss,” according to scripture, is the furnace-like pit where evil spirits are imprisoned, not human beings (see Luke 8:31; Revelation 9:1-2 and 20:1-3)…Likewise, the false prophet is referred to as “another beast” (13:11-17, 16:13 and19:20). Death is the absence of life. Humans will perish in the fire, not be preserved in the fire. He took the punishment we deserve. It is only for the saved (2 Timothy 1:10). (Joshua 7:15). the LORD shall trouble thee this day. The “wages of sin” will be the sinners” loss of life (death) at the end of the age. If Adam and Eve would have eaten of the tree of life in their sinful state that would have been a disaster. Conditional immortality as a label became popular in the nineteenth century for its ability to more holistically describe a view many Christians know as annihilationism. Conditional Mortality. This will happen in the lake of fire (Revelation 20:15) which will be a terrible fate–cremation. After the Resurrection, the death of the body and soul together is called the second death. However, they will first suffer, in proportion for their sins. Because we believe that Jesus suffered and died for us here (and that is the gospel), therefore, it is a safe assumption to believe that unbelievers who suffer terribly in this life will have that suffering count towards the payment for their sins. Source: Dr. David R. Reagan, Lamplighter magazine, March 2006, Lamb & Lion Ministries, McKinney, TX, John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”, This is the most quoted verse in the Bible and also one of the clearest accounts on the destruction of the wicked. Look what a curious person wrote to a web site on this issue: What happens to aborted babies? It is enlightening, in the context of this study, to note that this word is used in the LXX (Septuagint) in Exodus 3:2 where Moses beholds a burning bush, The human soul is not immortal. We can either do it our way or God’s way, it is our choice. ď. Ċ. I ask you, when have you ever heard a message offering immortality as part of the gospel presentation? It is only by believing in Yeshua (Jesus) that mankind has another chance at immortality. If this were true, then why would the specific word “destroy” even come up in the New Testament writings in relation to the unsaved? For God, death is the worst judgment of all, because He holds life as precious! We, believers, will look upon dead bodies in Gehenna. Proper hermeneutics demands we compare scripture with scripture. Is God trying to intentionally deceive us by using words that have a different meaning than what their plain meaning is? Should not the Messiah rather have said (if eternal torment was true) that it would be better if all unbelievers had never been born! Therefore, it is no wonder that the message of immortality has been completely dropped from modern preaching. (Then he continues with a follow up letter to his son after becoming a believer. (Edward W. Fudge, The Fire That Consumes. Again the picture of destruction by fire overlaps that of slaughter by sword (vv. Don’t you have to redefine “destroy” in every single one of these instances in order to get something other than “destruction” as the final fate of the unsaved? Acts 7:54–When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. Not one word about any punishment after his death. Additionally, Jesus did not mention Gehenna (translated as hell) more than at half a dozen occasions (Matt. Look at verse 9 in which the unsaved “worship” (also in the Greek present tense) the beast “and receive his mark.” This is very important because it clearly occurs while on this earth. Additionally, Malachi also tells us the wicked will be turned into ashes, just as Peter stated above, “And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet.” Malachi 4:3. Answer: Conditional immortality or conditionalism, for short, is the idea that not everyone will be raised immortal—only the saved will live forever. If words have any meaning at all then this is what we must conclude. That the smoke lingers forever in the air means that the judgment’s message will never become out of date. Please read next chapter: Are all souls born immortal? That much is absolutely true, (just look at what happened to Jesus (Yeshua) on the cross). Dr. Boyd then responds very lovingly with several options. As an evangelist, I deal with apologetics issues all the time. Why would immortality come through the gospel if all had it from birth? Immortality is reserved only through the gospel (2 Timothy 1:10). . In the first death, only the body is destroyed in the graveyard. Another important point. He specifically stopped it from happening by placing angels and a flaming sword there to block the way. 5:22,29,30, 10:28, 18:9, 23:15,33, Mark 9:43 and Luke 12:5) and almost all are in the gospel of Matthew. It will be destroyed. C.S. The wicked die a tormented death; the smoke reminds all onlookers that the Sovereign God has the last word. It is never directly translated this way in any New Testament writings. In the first death, the body stops functioning. Why is this verse key? Therefore, God put a guard there to make sure they would not become immortal in this state. Respected Messianic Rabbi, Loren Jacobs also correctly states: The human soul is not immortal. Lewis, The Problem of Pain, London: Geoffrey Bles, 1940, p. 118). “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” Daniel 12:2. The literal meaning is the first meaning used unless context declares otherwise. Doesn't Daniel 12:2 say some will face "everlasting contempt"? You should know that a number of very reputable evangelical theologians maintain that this is exactly what the Bible teaches. It is a punishment with everlasting effects. The phrase “conditional immortality” turns out to be a shorthand way of saying that God is God and we are not. I then noticed all the times the Bible used the word “perish,” “destroy,” “everlasting destruction,” “death,” and plus something in me telling me that a God who is love would never do this–Your website has brought me peace. Summary: • Why tradition about the fate of the lost, (as torment forever) is unbiblical and not hermeneutically correct. Scripture says that God has put His standards in man’s conscience and calls us to reason together with Him (Isaiah 1:18). (See Questions and moral problems for those who hold to the eternal torture on Homepage.). (see Matthew 7:13-14, Romans 8:13, Galatians 6:8), Immortality is only for a select few-those who are born again (“who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel” 2 Timothy 1:10). Why do the unsaved even know that? Did God really overlook this then? So we see in this specific area of our own penal system, God has placed this right understanding of punishment even among the unsaved (Romans 2:15). Yet it is a punishment. They maintain, on the basis of an analysis of the scriptural text, that the Bible itself teaches that God will ultimately annihilate all who are not “in Christ.” The punishment is “eternal” because it has eternal effects, not because it is endured eternally. There are very few things God cannot do and they all have to do with sinful behavior. (see also Malachi 4:3). Sadly, this is the same lie being told today, that everyone lives forever. Notice Paul uses the word “seek” when speaking of immortality. Source: The Resurrection and Immortality, William West, Xulon Press, 2006, various excerpts from chapter seven, A strange and unexplainable silence. It is important to note that in Hebrew, the word for “life/soul” (nehphesh) is never used in conjunction with the word “everlasting” in Tanach (The Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament). If you remember nothing else … It is one thing to experience a punishment that is eternal in its consequences; it is another thing to experience eternal punishing. Sodom and Gomorrah are a supreme type given by Peter and he says “And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample” (2 Peter 2:6). As an evangelist myself, I want to preach a message that is accurate. “And they shall take away the ashes from the altar” (Numbers 4:13) If this was the fate of all the offerings (including the sin offerings), then why should the fate of the sinner be any different? It resorts to no difficult theological or philosophical gyrations. (Matthew 25:46) Death is the punishment; and it lasts forever. Many Evangelicals who hold to Conditional Immortality also hold different views on the intermediate state and this paper does not discuss the intermediate state. CAIN: His sin was the first murder, which, by most, is believed to be the greatest of all sins. Why? How many believers are suffering under the weight of the false teaching of eternal torment–for their unsaved loved ones already gone? If Sodom is an example (Peter’s own words) to us of the fate of the ungodly, then their becoming ashes must be the same fate reserved for the lost. (And Pro-Life is the best! Why would immortality come through the gospel if all had it from birth? You will get a reply within 48 hours (hopefully) . ), I’ve recently been reviewing our letters back and forth over the last two years, Greg, and I must say we have really come a long way!…Your response about hell really helped. And have attacked Israel that dieth, saith the LORD ’ s Grace: a Case Conditional... 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